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Peer review[edit]

I would be grateful if the signpost could include something in the news section about peer review. This follows on from an earlier editorial last year (Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2017-02-27/Special report). Kadane has kindly created a bot that contacts editors about unanswered reviews at time intervals of their choosing, set at WP:PRV. The signpost would be a good place to announce this and garner some more interest in peer review, maybe. A loud example article / infomercial is below. Yours, --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:05, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Peer Review - Request for reviewers[edit]

Wikipedia peer review needs more reviewers. Please join us and contribute some reviews, or add yourself to our volunteers list to get regular updates of unanswered reviews. The peer review volunteers list is not new, but what is new is that you can add yourself and a time interval at which you'd like regular reminders about unanswered peer reviews in that topic area (e.g. history, geographic, social sciences).

Peer review provides a way for new and experienced editors alike to ask for and provide input into an article that is being developed. It's often a stepping stone for new editors, or for articles on their way to featured article status. It's a great way to help new editors become experienced with our wiki ways, improve articles, and learn about completely new subject areas.

We usually have between 10 - 20 unanswered reviews, often waiting for months, that only require a pair of eyes and some kind advice. We look forward to seeing you around!

Yours, --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:05, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Tom (LT), If you write something, we will happily publish it, but there's not really anyone here to write the normal columns, much less an additional one. Eddie891 Talk Work 15:12, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
@Eddie891 thanks, will write something and resubmit when I have time. --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:25, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Tate outsources artist biographies on its website to Wikipedia[edit]

See here. It's be interesting to know more detail about what the final paragraph is referring to: 'A Tate spokesperson says that it is “working on a partnership with Wikipedia to ensure the biographies for artists in our collection are as accurate as possible”.' Ham II (talk) 16:33, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

As far as I can tell it’s something benign along the lines of "Tate is using content on Wikipedia for its artist bios", rather than "Tate is working with the WMF and the admin cabal to create a UPE sock ring that is adding linkspam to articles".  pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 16:16, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


Two suggestions regarding this. First, have you considered this as a regular feature? Crosswords have a long association with journalism, and, as you’ve done here, can be themed toward humor, but also current events, featured work, articles in the issue, &cet.

Next, is it possible to make it a little more printer-friendly? As it stands, printing from a pad, I’d use more ink creating two giant black rectangles on either side of it than the entire crossword itself. I’m sure there are fixes for this on my end, of course, but we Demi-luddites are out here in the audience in greater numbers than you might imagine. Qwirkle (talk) 15:41, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey Qwirkle, perhaps it's just your pad, but have you checked the article in printable mode? The "Print/export" section in the sidebar (at least, in desktop view) provides the link for every page (except in edit mode), though it can also be accessed by adding &printable=yes when using a .../w/index.php?title=... URL. What I'm seeing in printable mode seems to fix the printer-unfriendly black bars you mentioned. See Help:Printing for more information. Alternatively, a greener (and still Luddite-friendly!) option is to play it in hardmode by doing it all in your head.
As for making crosswords a regular feature, I have no issue with it, but The Signpost is already struggling to have another issue this month due to a lack of contributions and contributors. Unless that is addressed and the current regular features can be sustained, new regular features are unlikely to be added. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 23:10, 28 September 2018 (UTC); slightly edited at 23:12, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
As an addendum, a not-so-Luddite-friendly option to further improve printability is to inspect the page elements in your browser's web developer toolkit (or use an element zapper) and delete the parts of the page that you don't need or want to print. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 23:17, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I think Amazon owes us, the contributors, a lot more than a million bucks[edit]

From CNet, Amazon gave $1 million to WMF, largely because Amazon's Alexa uses Wikipedia. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:01, 1 October 2018 (UTC) Nevermind; already covered in this issue. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:55, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Internet Archive celebrates rescuing 9 million broken links[edit]

[1] thanks to m:InternetArchiveBot. --Masem (t) 20:39, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Don't Bite the Newcomers[edit]

I think we all need a reminder... :)--Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:32, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't know[edit]

Don't know if this has been covered before, but in 2016 a book was published, apparently compiled from AFD article titles harvested by an algorithm, to which various expressions of the author's ignorance about the subject are added. I don't know, Volume 3 of FROHMANN / 0x0a, Author Gregor Weichbrodt, Publisher BoD – Books on Demand, 2017, ISBN 3944195604, 9783944195605 Length 248 pages Here's a burst. Mildly amusing. Johnbod (talk) 22:32, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

The last installment of the "Book review" feature was on 30 July 2014, over four years ago. If you are interested, Johnbod, you can be the one who breaks that hiatus with a review of this book. I won't blame you for not reading all of its nearly 250 pages, and if you don't, you can explain why in your review. You can even start it off with: "I don't know what to make of this book." The style guidelines can still be found preserved here (permanent link). You may think I am joking, and you would be right. But I am also serious; if you, or anyone else, want to take this tome to task, it may actually be worth publishing—even if as a brief extension of the usual levity presently quarantined with some success (and little leakage) to the "Humour" [sic] section.
Regardless, thanks for mentioning it. If nothing else, Barbara can take solace in the fact that there is a niche market for Wikipedian fiction novels, and one for which an author can get not one, but two whole stars! Come to think of it, perhaps the book review can itself be a future humor piece? I don't know. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 10:10, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't know why the copyright lists the guy who says he is not the author of this material, and does not have CC-BY attribution (at least not in a preview of the first few pages). ☆ Bri (talk) 13:57, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
He's presumably the author of the programming that actually wrote it, which I suppose is enough. I certainly won't be doing a review, but I think a short note with a quote would work for In the media or somewhere. Johnbod (talk) 15:22, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
I think it would fit right into either the research or the media article-it was research, wasn't it. If I can find the book, and even it is copyrighted I should be able to find the original discussions on Wikipedia-with no copyright restrictions. I am so tempted to buy it.... Best Regards, Barbara   18:06, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
I did not expect a book review about this from anyone, but I might as well suggest it. Yes, I agree that it should be mentioned in the next issue and I am seeing no prior mention of this in any of my searches. Thanks for the suggestion. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 17:01, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao noted as most prolific contributor to En.WP[edit]

The Washington Post has a nice profile of User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao: Meet the Most Prolific Contirbutor To the English Wikipedia. - kosboot


Editor scandal at the English and Bengali Wikipedias[edit]

I noticed what seems to be a rather significant event in the Wikimedia community occurred recently, first brought to my attention at AN/I, namely the indefinite blocking of Hasive for undisclosed paid editing, paid by the Bangladeshi government. Hasive apparently was a significant member, and an administrator, in the Bengali Wikipedia; and previously held other significant positions at the Meta Wiki, such as at the Grant Advisory Board and the Individual Engagement Grants Committee; so this does not seem minor to me at all. Might this be worthwhile to cover? I am not aware of any external media covering it yet, but I would not be surprised if some non-English reports on this exist.

This event is also rather incongruent with a recent piece in the New Statesman arguing that Wikipedia is more difficult to "hack" by foreign governments than Facebook or Twitter. This may be so, but greater difficulty does not guarantee immunity and it appears that at least some governments have already attempted to manipulate content in Wikipedia, as this case shows. (That report by the New Statesmen is also worth mentioning in the next issue.)

Winged Blades of Godric participated in that AN/I block discussion and, given their stated familiarity with the whole affair (and native fluency in Bengali), my initial intention was to ask on their user talk page whether they are willing to write a piece about this. However, in the event that WBG is not interested, perhaps someone else can write the piece. At the very least, a brief mention of this event is probably due, though it seems to deserve more attention than that. Were it not for the fact that I am completely illiterate in Bengali, I would consider examining this issue more closely myself. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 16:49, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Nøkkenbuer, I can try my hands at writing a piece.Any deadline? WBGconverse 11:42, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Presently, WBG, the writing deadline is in about 15 days, ending at 23:59 UTC on 26 October. Around that point, copy-editing becomes the focus, though nobody has stopped writers from continuing their work up until shortly before publication, which provides a couple more days to work (current publication deadline is 23:59 UTC on 28 October). There is a countdown graph at the newsroom and its talk page for keeping track of these deadlines. Just so long as it is ready for publication on 28 October, you can work at whatever pace best suits you. Even if not, part of it can still be used and you can finish it to publish elsewhere if you wish. Wikipedia is a volunteer service, after all, and The Signpost is a part of Wikipedia.
If you decide to write a piece, or even just a short summary as part of a larger feature, feel free to let me know if there is anything I can do to help. I usually copy-edit the entire issue prior to publication, so that at least is a given. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 13:18, 11 October 2018 (UTC); edited at 13:23, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

───────I understand you are probably very busy right now, WBG; however, given that the writing deadline is about 6 days away, I might as well check to see whether you have any plans to write anything about this. If not, that's okay. Someone else can at least add a brief note about this event. Alternatively, if you have some content but decided to drop it, posting what you have for someone else to salvage is still appreciated (you will still be attributed if it is substantial). Whatever the case, thanks for your consideration! —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 18:45, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Nøkkenbuer, this's my first priority, as of now.I have sketched a basic draft and will complete it within the next 48 hours.WBGconverse 19:07, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, WBG! Feel free to add it to the submissions page whenever you want, even now if you wish. Like another submission currently listed there, pieces still undergoing drafting are valid entries. Also, even after it is accepted, you are free to continue expanding it until publication. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 19:14, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Open a suggestion page for how to help Wikipedia[edit]

In a large community there needs to be governance, or lacking that there needs to be clarity with regard to what people are thinking about and what projects to work on. Yes it opens up voting, and some of our community are trained to react negatively to democratic forms, but Wikipedia only works because its largely democratic. A suggestion box for how to improve Wikipedia would be useful. If I were asked for an example, I would suggest that WP:TAFI needs to be given attention. -Inowen (nlfte) 00:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC) When Wikipedia acts as a democracy, it generally screws up. It is supposed to an externalized meritocracy, with content taken from subject matter experts, preferably filtered through worthwile secondary sources. Many variances from that, possibly most, are bad for the reader, and they often occur because someone gathers a lynch mob congenial segment of the voting pool to “vote”, because they know damned well a full discussion would undermine their argument. Qwirkle (talk) 17:21, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
PS: I took this, based on location, to be a suggestion that we add somethings to the Signpost; specifically a “suggestion box” and selection from recent articles for improvement. Either could be useful, if the right volunteers worked with them. Qwirkle (talk) 18:09, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
PPS:Thinking further, tying the “suggestion box” to both the Village Pump and the Teahouse might make a worthwhile column. Qwirkle (talk) 18:20, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
@Qwirkle: You've bad-mouthed democracy. By any chance are you anti-democratic in your political leanings? :) We tend to be idealistic on Wikipedia about having no border, and getting along with everyone, but then that masks a problem in that much of the anti-democratic world is opposed to freedom, opposed to democracy, opposed to publishing the Al-Jazeera memos, and opposed to Wikipedia not being swallowed up by Britannica. -Inowen (nlfte) 02:10, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
I appear to have wrongly assumed that your blather about democracy was a side-comment to an implied suggestion for a practical change to the signpost; your latest post suggests I was quite wrong about that, and that CT was, perhaps, justified in nuking it. Qwirkle (talk) 03:20, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Qwirkle said "That said, a suggestion box column could still be a good idea." Right. Its a pillar of democracy; a suggestion-box. But with the additions of being attended by Signpost editors, and broadcast when the edition is posted. -Inowen (nlfte) 03:42, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

The WikiCup[edit]

I don't know when your next edition is due to come out, but I was wondering whether you would like to consider having an article on the WikiCup. The five-round competition started back in January and culminates with the declaration of the winners on October 31st. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:54, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth I don't believe there is sufficient capacity for the regular editorial team to draft an article. However, feel free to write one yourself, otherwise there could at least be a mention in 'News and Notes.' Link to the results page? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:06, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
I see that an edition has just been published. I will do one or other of your suggestions ready for the next edition. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:38, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

A Third of Wikipedia Discussions Are Stuck in Forever Beefs[edit] (koavf)TCM 21:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Promotion - get it out there.[edit]

Hi Kudpung - I've been around here for years and yet only recently come across Signpost. I bookmarked it as there appears to be no clear link to it on main page. Why not? Why is it not right up at the top of the sidebar, perhaps just below Mainpage? Also - the title "Signpost" has a whiff of the Old West, or what you'd have seen just below a gas lamp in a Dickensian side street in the dead of night, kinda makes you wanna "get outa Dodge". Perhaps rename it WikiNews. Also - a top headline on this month's edition is The Signpost is still afloat, just barely. Wtf who wants to grab hold of a drowning man? This is definitely "get outa Dodge" language.

Wikipedia does a great job of keeping up with current affairs, helped, quite possibly, by the fact that its right there on the main page marked Current Affairs. So why not go for it - new name - easily accessible and less Doom&gloom Face-smile.svg.

WikiNews - MarkDask 18:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
That name’s taken. pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 22:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
How about WikiTribune? Surely nobody has taken that name.... --Guy Macon (talk) 03:06, 14 November 2018 (UTC)